March 1977– April 1982

(5 years 2 months) San Francisco to Los Angeles

Early girl-fronted punkish power pop band, first gig in '77. Played up and down the West Coast, a zillion gigs from many at Mabuhay in SF to Lingerie and Madame Wongs in LA to Skeleton Club in San Diego. Played with loads of bands of the day but never released any records. Charley Co-wrote and arranged the songs with Ivy and played bass.

After imploding from stress and degeneracy, reappeared as"

Ivy and the Elegants

May 1982 – May 1984

(2 years 1 month) Los Angeles

An R&B version of Ivy and the Eaters with horns and two female backup singers in sparkly sheath dresses. Charley Played bass initially, but switched to guitar when guitarist left and had a good bassist available. Played hip clubs around LA, Cathay du Grande, Lingerie, The Central.